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'Too Much Gold' Bug in 'Pirates!' ?!
15.08.09 at 14:51:28
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This isn't exactly a D-Bug problem, sounds like one inherent to the program, but I figure you guys will be the best chance at getting it fixed.

It was posted on The LGD Forums, but since no-one goes there much any more, I thought I'd copy it over here and link to this thread there.

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Pirates! (1987) - The Gold Bug at around 655000 pieces
Author: Droegi
Date:   08-14-09 09:29

Hi there, i got a real problem with this alltime nr.1 game ever.... in this galaxy Wink

The first Version of Sid Meierīs Pirates! from 1987 on Atari ST.

In the past 22 years i have to got the (buyed) original Versions for C-64, Amiga and PC. Also every sequel on PC. Yes, im really fanatic on this game Wink But the following bug report i cannot remember they appear in the other Systems.

Now i dont have the real Atari Hardware. But wanted to give this System a try too. So i went for a Emulator on my retro PC. Asus Tus Mainboard, 512 MB, Pentium III 1400 mhz on Windows 98 second Edition.

STeem Version 3.2 with and without Pasti support. The rest is on default configuration. TOS V1.02. Everything downloaded from Little Green Desktop HERE. Its the german faq translation site.... so please excuse the glitches in my english here Wink Yes, pasti works and i downloaded that stuff extra somewhere.

As regards for the *.st(x) Images i have tested: they are irrelevant, it seem that every Version is affected by the bug. Delight, Replicants, Delight/Blue Soft.... and also the pasti version from eg. the D-Bug site!

Naturally after few minutes of testing i became again instantly addicted to the Atari Version too. I began a big new career and after days of playtime i stumble over this debacle BUG.


The ingame Situation:

I start in 1660 as English with skill in fencing and difficulty Journeyman at age of 25. In the first Expedition i was forced to Devide up the Plunder with a collection of afair around 380.000 Gold pieces at age of 28. Imho not bad for a first attempt after a long pause of playing this game.
Now im in the second Expedition of this career at age of 31. Im in Nevis and i must Devide up the Plunder. In this second run i collected over 655.000 Gold pieces from this longshore lubbers and spanish riffraffs, aarrrr.... and now:


The Gold Bug in Detail:

I will attachment the Save-Filedisk (image) for the proof and so you dear Readers may reproduce this Bug yourself.
Load the Save-Point inside the Savedisk named "45DEVIDE".
Go instant to the Merchant in Nevis.
DONT sell any of the Ships! Go direct to the Stuff-Screen.
Sell carefully with single mouseclicks just the Cannons at price of 50 gold pieces and watch the main Gold-O-Meter....

You start the Screen with a total of 655.060 Gold pieces.
5 clicks later and 10 Guns selled, you are at 655310 Gold pieces.
If you are now dare enough to sell a single more gun or whatever --> BUMM your Gold Counter restart at 0 (zero) pieces.... omg! And yes, that is not just a Displayglitch.... its reality for the whole game engine!

I also have verify that this is not a "Merchant-Screen-Bug" or Nevis-Bug or whatever. This bug seems clearly have to do with the Gold Counter and the Number above 655310....
Try yourself with the first Save-Point "37ATTACK" with is also near 650.000 Gold pieces. And if you sake Towns or capture Ships were the loot overcomes this magically 655.310 Barrier.... you got the same debacle bug.


Thoughts and Speculates:

Ok. Naturally this is not acceptable for a real Pirate Wink As compersion in the PC modern 3D-Version im usualy cruise around the caribbean with: The fleet full of Ship of the Lines! Starting as Swashbuckler. Employ the "open End" method, playing with ingame age over 100 and so on. And a little pocket-money of just over 20.000.000 (yeah in words: over 20 Millions) of Gold pieces and a Crew over 750 seadogs they are permanently Very Happy.... rofl.
Did i mentioned im really fanatic on this Game? Wink No Cheats! But you can be sure i know nearly about every glitch in the game engine of the versions/systems from this masterpiece. Especially from the 3D-Version. And how to exploit them for my acquisitiveness.... aarrrr!

But this one is afair new to me and i assume its only in the Atari ST Version. Before i post here i used Google a lot and the bulletin board search here.... no luck. So maybe my fanatic gamestyle is not commonly Wink and this bug is not well-known in general.

Im not good in technical, code, programming, computer and stuff. So i cannot imagine if this is related to Atari, Emulator, Images, Ingame Bug or the Savefile corrupted or whatever....
Maybe someone here want to try this Savefile on the real Atari hardware and want to report? That maybe would be very helpful and makes me highly appreciative.

But this Number 655310 is also highly suspicious that its a 64k programming bug. This convert stuff of bits and bytes and so on.... you may know that much better.
Maybe Mr. Meier and his Atari conversion Crewmembers did a programming accident in the old days.... (but why its not well-known or am i to blunt to find?) or maybe we can fix this around today.... i dont know.

But i know this for sure: i collect also old homecomputer systems. I cannot get an real Atari ST if i dont know how to get around this Bug. Because in my (gramps) fanboy-world a computersystem ist not worth the existence if you cannot play Pirates! errorfree on it. Period. Lol Wink

Ok so enough of this lubberish chitchat. Let us come to the final Questions that you dear Reader may answer me. Be sure im so much grateful for every reply, hint, thoughts, field reports.... and thanks a lot ahead.


The final Questions to the Gold-Bug:

1. Is this Bug in the commonality well-known?
2. Is this Bug related to the original Game or to Emulator?
3. Is there a way to get around? Like eg. the Patch option of Steem?
4. Under the circumstances is a way to programming/fix this bug out today?


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PS. Oh unfortunately i cannot attach or upload a file in this bulletin board system. How to get around this first?.... lol

Ok according to THIS reference i will post under the same nick: the same topic and text content from here, also in the other second mentioned bulletin board --> HERE.
It looks like there i can attach/upload files too.

Otherwise i would need some hints, because i dont have much clue about this modern web2.0 megarapidshare stuff or whatsoever....


He hasn't posted it on Atari-Forum yet, far as I know..
  
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Re: 'Too Much Gold' Bug in 'Pirates!' ?!
Reply #1 - 16.08.09 at 14:46:29
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Turns out he did post it on Atari-Forum, but he put it in the Steem forum.  Link

Save file attached.
  

Pirates_Save4_Gold_Bug.zip ( 5 KB | Downloads )
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Re: 'Too Much Gold' Bug in 'Pirates!' ?!
Reply #2 - 16.08.09 at 19:06:16
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Grunaki wrote on 16.08.09 at 14:46:29:
Turns out he did post it on Atari-Forum, but he put it in the Steem forum.  Link

Save file attached.


That's noble of you.

However, if he doesn't actually sign up here so I can communicate to him and not have anyone in-between to play the role of the broken telephone, I'm afraid I can't help.

Sorry to be so anal, I just don't have too much spare time and would like to have the person who's interested right here so I can do some rapid-fire tests...
  
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Reply #3 - 17.08.09 at 03:00:44
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That's fair enough mate, I'm just interested in the problem - never come across it before.
  
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Reply #4 - 17.08.09 at 09:03:14
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the Rainbow Warrior syndrome methinks Wink

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Reply #5 - 17.08.09 at 11:45:33
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Much like the ancient planet Magrathea, the D-Bug fixing team are shut down until the rest of the universe can afford to be polite enough to use our services.

Good day, kind sir.
  

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Reply #6 - 25.08.09 at 05:51:44
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This Topic was moved here from D-Bug Menus [move by] ggn.
  
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