Ah, I see. It's of course good thing, I was just wanted to be sure :)

Speaking about ULS -- what exactly do you guys do with IKBD? When I test some games on my falcon, I can say 50% wont work because they wont work with eiffel interface. Currently I can take Populous as example (yes, I know, not your job but it does use ULS), mouse is totally frozen (even after ctrl+D, i.e. quit to desktop!)

[quote author=6A6E6C7568070 link=1233434002/2#2 date=1233443538]Speaking about ULS -- what exactly do you guys do with IKBD? When I test some games on my falcon, I can say 50% wont work because they wont work with eiffel interface. Currently I can take Populous as example (yes, I know, not your job but it does use ULS), mouse is totally frozen (even after ctrl+D, i.e. quit to desktop!)[/quote]

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Eiffel interface, but I know that Populous is using a 'non-standard' mouse mode (i.e. a mode that's different to the one used in GEM, etc.), which is called absolute mouse mode. It's different at ikbd level.
Just a guess, but maybe Eiffel doesn't support it?

[quote author=73545948594D42514D4B380 link=1233434002/4#4 date=1233474025]Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Eiffel interface, but I know that Populous is using a 'non-standard' mouse mode (i.e. a mode that's different to the one used in GEM, etc.), which is called absolute mouse mode. It's different at ikbd level.
Just a guess, but maybe Eiffel doesn't support it? [/quote]

I think it does, I can play a lot of other titles which use direct IKBD access, absolute or relative mode. I guess the problem lies in that clever IKBD handling ULS does... eiffel is by no means perfect, it's even no surprise more titles don't work (in compare to PeST for example) -- it emulates whole IKBD while PeST is just sending packets to IKDB.

Phew... any chance you made ULS behaving more 'polite' to IKBD ? ;-)

Done

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Of course I have nothing against some testing :)

[quote author=44636E7F6E7A75667A7C0F0 link=1233443540/5#5 date=1233489391]- have you tried others of my fixed games that allow quitting to the desktop (like Arkanoid, North & South, etc.)? I have recently changed my ikbd restore code on exit (just using an ikbd reset now). Older fixes are restoring the ikbd step-by-step, by sending various set up bytes to the chip. Provided the mouse works on exit with my older fixes, then the ikbd reset command behaves differently on the Eiffel.[/quote]

Yes I did and both Arkanoid and N&S do work OK.

[quote author=44636E7F6E7A75667A7C0F0 link=1233443540/5#5 date=1233489391]- is there a way to detect the presence of Eiffel by software? Does it need a driver (installing a cookie perhaps)?[/quote]

Hmm.. maybe you could ask Didier what he uses in his CT60 boot code (it detects Eiffel along with version used).

[quote author=44636E7F6E7A75667A7C0F0 link=1233443540/5#5 date=1233489391]- can you try another version of Populous using Backward to run it (perhaps the Automation one or the Bladerunners' version)? I *think* they should run ok with Backward (use the default settings, just set it to 8Mhz - 16Mhz will flicker). If the mouse works, then the issue should be caused by my ULS ikbd handling.
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Could you provide me the version you're talking about? Btw I looked into Eiffel docs, of course absolute mode is support, in fact, it's supported nearly everything.

Btw do you know which version of Eiffel Christos uses?

Btw #2, as I tested your games, I came with following results (joy connected as Joy #1 in Eiffel):

- Overlander: Joy is OK but fire doesn't work. I have to use 'fire' on mouse (left button)

- Hotshot: fire button ignored (mouse doesn't help here)

- Goldrunner: the same

- Cybernoid: as Overlander but right mouse buttons helps here

- Populous: sometimes it does work but only for a while. The typical symptom is absence of sampled music. But after some time (10s) it's frozen again

Bad news is my Eiffel has some health problems and mouse stopped to move :) So I'm unable to make more tests until I fix this issue (grrrr...).

OK, I managed to "fix" that issue. The problem was ... yes, I'm aware of the fact I'm going to look as real lamer ;) ... broken mouse. Until now I didn't believe optical mouse can *die* only by daily using. Great. So as soon as I connected usb2ps/2 + usb mouse into eiffel, populous begins to work fine.

EDIT: But the rest (fire button vs mouse button) remains. If you want some dbug example -- Magic Land Dizzy. Fire doesn't work but mouse button does...