My good pal ST Survivor has done a nice write up of how he created the SNDH logo used in our 4.8 intro.
So head on over to STS's blog
Grazey March 2023.
My good pal ST Survivor has done a nice write up of how he created the SNDH logo used in our 4.8 intro.
So head on over to STS's blog
Grazey March 2023.
Ok people. So it is a massive relief to finally get the SNDH update into the public arena! Work began straight after v4.7 in early 2018. Since then we have ripped and added literally 100's of musics from games and demos. I remember thinking to myself in the early 2000s that most tunes are now ripped. How wrong was I! It seems the more you look, the more you find, with weird unknown stuff surfacing periodically.
I am very proud of this archive, we may not be as huge as the HVSC, but we are its Atari ST equivalent and the "goto" site for users after YM goodness.
So back with v4.8. What is pleasing this time round is we've had some assistance from other coders/rippers. Normally it falls to myself and Evil/DHS to rip and convert music. But this time we have had outside assistance from GGN/KÜA, Metal Ages/Cybernetics, tronic, Meynaf and Leonard/Oxygene. Special mention to the latter two who ripped some nasty tunes.
If you frequent the Amiga scene you may have heard of Meynaf. He converts Atari ST games to the Amiga e.g. Supersprint and Gauntlet. A while ago he contacted me saying he had ripped some ST tunes. So thanks to him you can now listen to Maniac Mansion, Larry III, Zak McKracken, Loom and ST Dragon.
Another massive thanks goes to super-coder Leonard from Oxygene who I met at the ST News conference in 2000. He was the guy that finally broke the 09-13 protection. I'll meander back a bit to 2015. So there I was in rural Netherlands having a nice lasagne with a Greek guy and some French fellows.
GGN, Grazey, t0my, Ukko & Fra
The conversation turned from the drab fodder to t0my's 09-13 demo. The production had an amazing intro sequence, but what really stood out were the funky tunes from UltraSyd. RIP guy :( At this point Tomy boasted about the protection in the demo which prevented the tunes from being ripped into SNDH. At the time I said I would rather spend my free time, which seems to diminish year on year!, on accessible tunes rather than waste my energies on barriers put in place in the 21st century! And, so that is how things were left - well until late 2019. I then got a message from Leonard, primarily regarding the SID technique used in my HIPSID demo. However in one of his chats he casually mentioned that he would look at the 09-13 music protection!
We all know Leonard is exceptionally talented and very soon he had extracted all the files and created stand-alone SNDH files! Here are some excerpts from Leonard explaing how he did it :
Basically I heavily used SainT to debug & trace the code. The protection is a trace mode decoding and re-encoding backward. Encrypted blocks of code always start with an "illegal" instruction, and stop with another "illegal" freshly decoded by patching the decoding routine in SainT debugger to avoid "re-encoding" backward, I decoded all the parts, and can run the demo without any encoded part. There are only two blocks encoded: one ran at music init, and one ran each music tick. I saved these two blocks, then I used Saint debugger to breakpoint after depacking each file, to get the exact music file size, and looked at maxymiser player to get exact player rate. Quite some work!
All I needed to do was fix the tunes so they could restart then we were done. I think it is paticularly fitting that UltraSyd's tunes will now have a wider audience, one his songs richly quite rightly deserves.
HUBBY Goldrunner finally 100%
One tune which really deserved a complete revamp was Goldrunner. The tune was originally composed for the C64 game Human Race. Goldrunner was one of the first releases to show off the ST's extended palette and super smooth scrolling - well it was vertical scrolling after all! Steve Bak, RIP :( worked closely with Rob on the sound-driver and added sampled speech - one of the first ST games to have this. In those old lame days I just ripped the YM replay. On a dreary covid Sunday in 2020 I decided to revisit the code and extract the sample play back. So another tune makes it to SNDH, to be heard how it was originally intended :)
Ok, what should I check out?
700+ new or updated tunes, quite overwhelming. So here's a few of my recommendations - quality wise , or just plain obscure!
The future - compatibility
Ok that's all for now. In the next blog post I may write more regarding the intro and other developments in the SNDH world. Finally, please note note all the SNDH files work on a REAL ST. However there are still issues using the two major non-ST players - Winjam & sc68 (hi abyss, tao and ben!) . I know that the developers are aware of this and are actively endeavouring to update their software. Fingers crossed that new versions appear soon!
Grazey February 2023.
I often get asked how to go about hacking music from games and demos. I was self taught, starting way back in 1987ish on the Commodore 64, (SYS 49152!) , I then moved over to the Atari ST, extracting tunes from demos and games, in those days we were talking the ubiquitous David Whittaker, Ben Daglish, Fred Gray, Charles Callet, Adrian Dalecki and of course Jochen Hippel (Mad Max).
Ripping, like hacking can be easy, or a pain. In cracking, processes and speed improve as you meet yet another Rob Northen internal, so the same applies to music hacking spotting the familiar ascii tags of "THK!" , "Elof" or "MMME" within the code, or memory addresses $8840.w (what?)
At an Outline demo party I was asked if I could write a guide on how to hack music. Full of motivation I set off describing the process from the original hack, to playing the tune outside of the game/demo... to converting it into an SNDH. However, as usual with a lot of my projects things stalled, motivation waned, and a semi finished guide sat on my hard drive for a number of years. Fast forward to 2020, we're in lock down, free-time aplenty, so time to resurrect this guide.
I remember a long time ago an esteemed hacker wrote a guide to filing games, in his foreword he stated "Well I'll be honest, I think this doc is going to be a pain in the arse to write, cos anyone who needs it probably won't understand it and anyone who does understand it wouldn't have needed it in the first place! "
I wonder if this sentiment rings true for my document ? We will see.
To start I have chosen a straight forward game tune which highlights the process of extracting the music, testing and finally creating your own SNDH file.
I may make these guides into and an occasional series.
Keep hacking...... Grazey April 2020.
Whoah! over 2 years since the last blog post! and...... 4 years since To Hull and Back part 1 Don't worry. SNDH is still very much alive. Behind the scenes I've still been ripping and converting tunes to the SNDH format. Current stats for the next release (4.8) are, as of 28th March 2020 (I SNDH'd Honda RVF digital music today!) :- 257 new or updates SNDH files, equating to 451 subtunes. That increases the whole database to : 5118 SNDH files, 10504 tunes by 555 unique composers. Not bad going.... There are still many tunes to rip and SNDH so remember to support the cause, click here for the current list.
As for the release date? Well I'm working on a small intro for the release, much of the coding was done at the elite UK demo party Tathack. I don't like speculative release dates so expect something out within the next decade.
Right! Back to the STNICCC 2015 reportage.
So where were we? Well on the Saturday afternoon after having lunch with Rob Hubbard, Rob Hubbard, yes Rob Hubbard.... we ventured upstairs to our coding room. This was mainly Brit sceners with a smattering of current German aristocracy, notably Paradox (hi Paranoid!) plus Dutchies D-Force and earx and Swedes Baggio and Wiztom.
However things soon moved up a notch when I met Jochen "Mad Max" Hippel in one of the many corridors of the college, where the party was being held. He recognised me straight away, which I kinda found surprising as it was 15 years since we last met at the previous STNICCC. Back in 2000 I'd shown him the party release of UMD 8730, which came third in the demo competition. This was a seriously cut down version compared to the final release, missing the 20 minute intro with Tao's epic medley and the freshness of ST Survivor's graphics. It was an honour at the time to see a legend really showing interest in my work, with a posse of uber coders including Ben of Overlanders and Gunstick on Unlimited Matricks in attendance. In 2000 Jochen gave me a disk with a copy of his editor which I still have to this day, I wonder if it will ever be released publically? Fast forward 15 years and the vista was reproduced, well nearly.
2000: L-R Ben/OVR, Gunstick/ULM, Mad Max/Tex, Grazey/PHF, Stick/Ripped Off
2015: L-R gwEm/PHF, DMA-SC/Sector One, Mad Max/Tex, Grazey/PHF, Lfee, Gunstick/ULM
We've not aged in the slightest! Unfortunately I didn't have my orange STFM with me this time - remember we did cycle all the way from Europoort to Gouda (more of that later) so laptop it was! I soon got Jochen sat down and booted the Steem emulator to load up his TFMX editor. People in the room soon congregated round him as he dabbled in YM chip for the first time in years. It was so nice to see a fusion between the old school pioneers and the new skool kids (well in comparison).
Lots of interesting discussions followed regarding the intricacies of chip composing and new sound effects and techniques which have pushed the 2149 to its limits. Fellow PHF member gwEm was proud to demonstrate his "go to" music application maxYMiser to Mad Max, a flavour of which can be seen in the video below.
YM Sesh! Images showing Soran, Mad Max, Mrs Max, gwEm, DMA-SC, Grazey, Gunstick, Tronic, Strider, Lfee & Baggio.
Right compo time! We all queued patiently and expectantly, wondering what delights were in store...
So it's not just the UK who likes to queue?
Once inside, we took our seats and were guided through the competition by our eminent host and organiser Richard Karsmakers and the Outline stalwart Havoc!
The competition was really well supported considering we were hovering over the twilight of the ST scene. Quality was abound from DML/TPT-XIA's Zero-Three-Zero on the Falcon, the almighty polish of Oxygene's "We were @" (love the physics screen which caused gulps at the time!), Sync's total ownership of overscan and wake states, dbug's mono masterpiece, checkpoint's continued dominance of new school fx plus great contributions by Cream, TSCC, Absence, Effect, MJJ Prod, Oxyron, No Extra, Atari Boys, Hemoroids and FUN. Quite a line up, especially so as we are talking 2015 here!
Deliberations were had, fanta(?) was distributed. Leonard and co made it two in a row, though I still prefer Odd Stuff in 2000 :P But what was pleasing from my point of view was that gwEm/phf won the music competition - even more so as the judges were unknown people with surnames like Van der Laurens, Hippel and Hubbard - what do they know about chip-music?? It all gets hazy from there! I think we left the venue and headed to a late night bar (gwEm, Cal, Lfee, Tronic & Mug UK). We had been there the previous night when the owner had let Tronic connect his phone to the pub's sound system! Even had a sweet IPA induced boogey to Astaroth at 1 in the morning?!
Is that Big Alec I can hear?
Life's a Beach inducement at Biercafé De Goudse Eend, nearly TLB, nearly!
The following day was the normal good byes, wondering if we really all meet up again in 2032. Me and Cal packed our panniers. I trusted good old google maps to take us back to Europoort. Luckily like where we live in the UK, the Netherlands is very bike friendly, read - flat! I say "trust good old google", yet for some reason it took us to the Hook of Holland side of the channel! Luckily there was a little ferry which crossed to the other side and onwards to our Hull bound ferry!
Somewher between Gouda and Rotterdam?!
Leaving our plush (not) accommodation, heading back to Europoort via the little ferry at Maasdijk
We slug out another SNDH update.
Firstly we bring you all the tunes from our HIPSid. It won the Outline 2017 demo competition. The demo takes the C64 like SID routine by Tao and adds the FX to Mad Max musics. HIPSid demo features 9 hours, 52 minutes and 3 seconds of Hippel goodness. Coding was by Grazey, GGN, music by gwEm, gfx by Tinker and of course Mr Hippel has some input as well. It also gives a nod to Hull City of Culture 2017, shame Mr Hubbard wasn't celebrated in the same breath as other Hullensian - Mick Ronson.
Just a little update regarding the SNDH world. Since the last release we have added a fair number of new or fixed SNDH files (165 files to be exact). Some things to look out for :-
No, not the cheesy pop ballad by mullet sporting Limahl!
This is the story of the life long struggle to SNDHify all Atari ST soundchip music. I thought I would guage how far down the path I am. A good barometer would be to see how many of the Automation titles are currently SNDH'd. As per a previous blog post I have now finished going through ALL 512 menus, amounting to 1583 titles! The results are interesting.
Firsty of the 1583 titles, 65% contain notable music (soundchip or digi)
So, of the 1027 titles with music - 613 are already SNDH'd (60%)
So that leaves 415! remaining unripped! I have then separated this further between soundchip and digital tracks (both tracked and standard samples)
So we have quite some way to go. For now I will concentrate my efforts on chip musics, the demotivating factor is that many of the remaining 'tunes' are crappy beeps. As a bonus my research did highlight some glaring omissions from the database, such as Super Stuntman by David Whittaker, Plotting by Pierre-Eric Loriaux, Tie-Break by Adrian Dalecki and Yogi Bear by Sean Conran - all these are now SNDH'd.
Grazey. October 2016.
Demo coders, don’t you just love em?
Always pushing the ST to its limits. Dreaming up new ideas and techniques and squeezing that last clock cycle out of the poor Motorola. All well and good for gamers who don’t care what goes on under the bonnet of their fave game. However to me, a music ripper, it’s another matter. Four people stand in the dock, accused of crimes against music ST rippers :
Jochen (Mad Max) Hippel, Tim (Manikin) Moss, Jurgen Piscol and Paul Summers.
Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty as charged.
Let me explain. You see making SNDH’s isn’t just about extracting the code so it plays in your favourite machine code assembler – genST of course. Nope, that’s the easy part. We also need to ensure the code is memory address independent and system friendly. The former isn’t too hard to do, you just need to change absolute memory addresses to the location that the SNDH file is loaded, a bit faffy but pretty straight forward. The latter can be easy or a pain in the ass. System friendly? You see when we play tunes using JAM or SND-Player the operating system (OS) is still running in the background doing exciting things like updating the system clock, plotting and reading the mouse etc –however most games/demos nuke the system to gain valuable processor time and memory.
Thanks guys, thanks a lot.
Due to these problems I’ve had a number of tunes on the back-burner :- Wings of Death digital, Baal music, Lethal Xcess digital, Turrican 1 & 2 digital, Grand Monster Slam digital , To Be on Top digital, MUDS digital , Z-Out digital, Amberstar digital and Sound-machine digital musics – do you see a pattern?
The two major problems with these musics are :-
Stealing registers means the operating system cannot run in the background. Fixing such tunes often requires lengthy modifications – however this slows the music routine which can affect the sound quality.
Excessive CPU load is even more difficult to fix. It can sometimes entail a complete re-write of the music driver to gain sufficient clock cycles which allows the OS to run. This can be an impossible task as the drivers are already heavily optimised (e.g. Wings of Death by TLB and Lethal Xcess by TEX). The other factor is time – I simply don’t fancy recoding a full routine.
So that leaves us with tunes which play ok but don’t like the OS. That is why I decided to code a non-OS player “Dirty-SNDH”, so you can listen to tunes on native ST hardware. Unfortunately current players – SND-Player & JAM won’t be compatible. However Winjam plays the tunes and SC68 is currently being updated to handle the files as well.
Currently LX, WOD, Baal & Amberstar are fixed and work in the new player.
Grazey. September 2016.
As you are probably aware the aim of the SNDH archive is to contain all sound chip music ever composed on the Atari ST.
However this is where I need your help! You see, I would say approximately 80% of all game chip musics and 98% of demo musics are already ripped and contained in the archive . The difficulty is identifying which game tunes are still outstanding.
My proposal is to use my "Automation Bible", this is an excel spreadsheet which lists the contents of all 512 Automation menus plus menu contents of D-Bug, Cynix and the BBC. I've combined the current SNDH tune list into the spreadsheet to indicate which tunes are already present in the archive. What I need is information regarding each game, specifically :-
To make this task systematic I'm going through each Automation menu in turn booting all the games then populating the excel spreadsheet. It's a long labourious task so any help would be really appreciated! I've already done D-Bug, Cynix and the BBC.
The bible is located on the D-Bug web-site :- The Bible
The aim is to complete the whole Automation listing, this will then give a comprehensive list of what is still outstanding.
I realise not all tunes are on Automation menus but it's a good place to start.
Finally I am still looking for support with the ripping/SNDHing process, I'm toying with the idea of posting a ripping tutorial. If it would increase the support given to SNDH. Anyway let me know your thoughts! Grazey.